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Clara Pond Caldari Provisions Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.03.26 11:56:00 - [1] - Quote embrel wrote: So, basically you do that for the good of the world and not once for a single second you had any fun doing it, did you. Cause you for sure do not feel fun when idiots reveal themselves as such. No, I do not believe that. You don't have to believe it, but you should be consistent if you wish to be taken seriously. Many Eve players have fun besting other Eve players at Eve and at Eve's metagame. Vile Rat is venerated, and rightly so, for his social engineering skills in the nullsec metagame as much as his being a good person. Ero is one of Eve's best social engineers in the highsec metagame, and in my limited experience seems a decent person in RL. What's the difference? Face it, you feel sorry for Sohkar because he got really mad on Soundcloud, and Ripard poked your moral panic button because rather than being an ebil rich BoB person, he was a sweet innocent carebear bigot. I was a bit sorry for Sohkar too, and had I been there may have suggested to Ero to can the bonus round once it emerged that Sohkar was an Air Traffic Controller overdue on his statutory sleep requirement. But then Sohkar started with the all too common racism, abuse and real world threats, and everyone with a shred of decency lost all sympathy for him. Remember that unstable bigots get really mad about many things that 99% of others don't; and it is not the fault of the person who makes the assumption that they are a stable, consenting adult playing a multiplayer online game for adults where human interaction is inevitable and dystopia is celebrated.
Clara Pond Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1	Posted - 2014.03.26 12:17:00 - [2] - Quote Icylce wrote: 1.Erotica1 knows that there is high chance that he will get insulted by eveplayer if he does something considered "evil"(link to minerbumping + empyric experiece from various scams). 2. Erotica1 scams person, then puts him into bonus round. 3. Erotica1 puts the player in bonus round in helpless state (takes all assets) and aplies psychical pressure. 4. Erotica1 is surprised when said person breaks and insults him. Conclusion: I can't read. 1. Ero engineers a game with complex rules that is designed to be hard but not impossible to win 2. Person qualifies for a bonus round (higher stakes, harder version of game) for any of a number of reasons including 100th client 3. Ero plays the game with the client in some cases for six hours after he has all their assets, thus debunking any possibility it is a scam 4. Ero is completely unsurprised when a majority can't complete the deliberately complex game, and uses their losses to pay out the small number of winners as well as making a profit, the majority of which is donated to the New Order 5. Blogger throws a losing client under his publicity bus to wage a hilariously melodramatic and over-reached vendetta against gameplay he personally considers distasteful, alongside the many other gameplay elements he considers distasteful.
Clara Pond Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1	Posted - 2014.03.26 12:43:00 - [3] - Quote embrel wrote: The issue is not the scam. As you do not seem to see what other issues there could possibly be... well, if you really have not the slightest idea what people could find despiceable (hint: it's not the scam), then I'm worried. I am aware that some people are drawing a moral behaviour line a long way to the left of Ero 1 and the bonus room. I am pointing out that when you step back from Jester's ridiculous hyperbole, all you are left with is metagaming that some people find distasteful. The key argument from our self-styled moral guardians is based on an assumption that the bonus room is a scam and the player has zero chance of winning, ergo Ero is a psychopath who enjoys belittling people for no reason. I am making the point that if you ditch that assumption, and understand that running off with people's money the second they hand it over and never having winners would quickly ruin the reputation of Ero's ingame business, you see it in a new light. But people are so blinded by Jester's misdirection that they won't look at it any way other than the way they've been told to. Furthermore, why is Sohkar - demonstrably abusive bigot that he is - being given a free pass?
Clara Pond Caldari Provisions Caldari State 2	Posted - 2014.03.26 12:48:00 - [4] - Quote Icylce wrote: Even if we assume u can win the game, the way it is constructed is worrying to say at least. Erotica basically pays for the right to harras a person and trample his dignity as human beeing and then on top of it makes this humilation public. No, the client volunteers his dignity in exchange for satisfying his greed. He can leave any time and chooses not to. And many, many people have come through the bonus round with their dignity unaltered or even enhanced - look for the recent 6 hour bonus round client, who had every escrow agent cheering at his rock-solid humanity, humour and decency.
Clara Pond Caldari Provisions Caldari State 5	Posted - 2014.03.26 13:36:00 - [5] - Quote Sibyyl wrote: I think I understand your point. I guess the closest analogy I can think of is when you're at a comedy club to watch a comedian vs. the moment the comedian starts heckling you, hard. Of course it's comedy, but you really wish it didn't turn out that way.. To use a similar analogy, Sohkar is the sad person sitting feeding coins into the slots, hoping for that big payout and telling themselves they can beat the house. Along comes the management with a free drink and a smile, egging them on. Sohkar could have got up from that chair, told the manager with dignity and pride exactly what he thought of him, and walked out of the casino, like so many others. Instead he chose to hurl racial abuse and hulksmash until he was escorted out by security. And Jester waves a placard and a megaphone with the increasingly violent protest outside the casino, calling for casinos to be closed to protect people who won't protect themselves. Meanwhile, a nice little old lady wins the jackpot and buys all her grandkids a new Vindicator.
Clara Pond Caldari Provisions Caldari State 7	Posted - 2014.03.26 13:46:00 - [6] - Quote Lucretia DeWinter wrote: If The House had already taken all his money and fed it into the slot machine, and told him the only way he was getting it back would be to win the costume contest dressed as a chicken singing Waltzing Matilda whilst streaming live to the internet, then it would be more accurate. I loled IRL. Quite so, and were our contestant to willingly suit up and start flapping, we would not say he was being subjected to torture. We would say that he was a consenting adult making a choice, and possibly even having fun doing it.
Clara Pond Caldari Provisions Caldari State 7	Posted - 2014.03.26 13:50:00 - [7] - Quote Druthlen wrote: You seem to forget there is a hostage in all of this. The persons online assets. Which are forfeited if he doesn't play along. He believes at least for a time he can recover his stuff if he goes along with the humiliating hazing like activities. Which he had to go to some considerable effort to willingly hand over. Personal responsibility is hard, isn't it?
Clara Pond Caldari Provisions Caldari State 8	Posted - 2014.03.26 13:58:00 - [8] - Quote LordOfDespair wrote: You have no idea who that person is, or what their life is right now. He could be impaired someway mentally or not in the right state of mind. Does that make it right to abuse them for personal pleasure? Quite right, you have no idea of these things in an MMO. They are a capsuleer name, an alliance ticker, a shiptype. They are a mark, a target. The person you undercut with your market trade may have been on their last ISK and suffering manic depression. Who knows what your callous undercut could trigger? You argue that people are responsible for the jilted lover screaming "if you don't take me back I'll kill myself". People are not responsible for the reactions of others. If you want to argue for compassion, I'm right behind you. But that is a different thing. Some people just don't have the intellectual or emotional maturity to interact with other humans in a competitive environment and the rest of us are not responsible for their reactions. Look at the login screen: Online Interactions Not Rated By The ESRB.
Clara Pond Caldari Provisions Caldari State 13	Posted - 2014.03.26 14:13:00 - [9] - Quote Lucretia DeWinter wrote: What about when they say, actually, this contest is now a dance marathon and you have to stay here for the next 12 hours. You can leave at any time. There is a difference to what people volunteer to do and what they're forced into doing, by ransom or coercion. I would say that the person can still leave at any time, and thus by definition is not being subjected to torture. Were the casino to be sued, it would be sued for duplicitous business practices not for torture. CCP has made their position very clear on duplicitous business practices in Eve. And you are on very shaky ground talking about "forcing" and "ransom" in relation to Teamspeak and space money. Lucretia DeWinter wrote: The internet is full of people volunteering to do stupid debasing things, many of which are pretty funny. Not so many occasions where somebody is goaded or manipulated into doing those things. Then its less funny. Less funny != torture.
Clara Pond Caldari Provisions Caldari State 13	Posted - 2014.03.26 14:15:00 - [10] - Quote LordOfDespair wrote: Have you even listened to the 2 hour long recording? How are you going to compare that to .01 isk wars on the market and ingame PVP? Yes, I'm apparently one of the few who has. Importantly, I listened to it before Jester had a chance to coach me on how I should feel about it. And you are cherry picking mock-outraged soundbites in order to excuse yourself from understanding analogy.

Clara Pond Caldari Provisions Caldari State 13	Posted - 2014.03.26 14:25:00 - [11] - Quote LordOfDespair wrote: You made a really bad analogy, your post was bad too. Do a better job on expressing your ideas. Or leme guess, it is the readers fault that your posts are bad and make no sense. Same way its the victims fault that he got abused? Right? I guess if you say it's true, it must be true. Even if your entire argument is based on ad hominem.
Clara Pond Caldari Provisions Caldari State 21	Posted - 2014.03.27 03:39:00 - [12] - Quote Ero has so many contracts to make that he is suffering physical pain in his fingers and is out of breath. Won't you please step in and halt this torture, Ripard and the white knight brigade?

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